tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post115281274131183189..comments2023-07-12T09:37:20.673-04:00Comments on Crescent Canuck (Politics): Liberals Need To Be More Left Than Rightmezbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1153093138035840862006-07-16T19:38:00.000-04:002006-07-16T19:38:00.000-04:00Clear Grit: There is "nothing inherent about democ...Clear Grit: There is "nothing inherent about democracy that makes it worth supporting"? <BR/><BR/>So, should the United States just start dictating policy to the third world, or will they be graciously allowed to enjoy US-approved (singular) political parties to run the show?<BR/><BR/>And, heck, should Canada be any different? Should the US tell Canadians they aren't allowed to vote for the Liberals or NDP any more, as they might go against American interests? I'm sure Steve would like being El Presidente-for-life, but I imagine that everybody else might be a little peeved.<BR/><BR/>And, of course, if there's nothing inherently good about democracy, then there's no reason to have it in the United States, either. Everybody get behind The Dear Leader, he'll know what to do!<BR/><BR/>(It's funny how silly the arguments can get when the Israel/Arab conflict arises. Democracy's inherent worth does not end where Israel's interests begin.Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552994996411944134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1153071028757073672006-07-16T13:30:00.000-04:002006-07-16T13:30:00.000-04:00Or do you only support select democracies?Yes. The...<B>Or do you only support select democracies?</B><BR/><BR/>Yes. There is nothing inherent about democracy that makes it worth supporting, it is nothing more than a means to an end, and if the desired end is not achieved, we have no obligation to support a country simply because it is a democracy. I ask, what is the proper response to the election of a government whose official position on the state of Israel is that it ought not exist?Ryan Ringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05397208707393644812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1152992041832448192006-07-15T15:34:00.000-04:002006-07-15T15:34:00.000-04:00That's why Bob Rae left the NDP years ago - becaus...That's why Bob Rae left the NDP years ago - because of the NDP view of Isreal.<BR/><BR/>We shouldn't be picking sides - we should be negotiators. It's their fight, but we should try to help bring some sort of peace and order and you can't do that by picking sides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1152941934383846752006-07-15T01:38:00.000-04:002006-07-15T01:38:00.000-04:00Democratic? You do remember that Lebanon was the d...Democratic? You do remember that Lebanon was the democracy example that was held up as a beacon to the rest of the middle east right? And surely you don't forget that Palestinians elected Hamas? Or do you only support select democracies?<BR/><BR/>As well, when did criticising Israel become anti-semitic? Are you implying the NDP is anti-semitic?<BR/><BR/>Hypocritic positions such as yours disgust me.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1152824252399449342006-07-13T16:57:00.000-04:002006-07-13T16:57:00.000-04:00I dont really want to get into a Palestine-Israel ...I dont really want to get into a Palestine-Israel debate, but I tend to think that one sided condemnations dont do any good. Lets not forget who broke the calm here.KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16932623568330893522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1152821403337894102006-07-13T16:10:00.000-04:002006-07-13T16:10:00.000-04:00decoin,I dont think 'left' automatically equals su...decoin,<BR/><BR/>I dont think 'left' automatically equals support for gay marriage. by left I mean bread and butter issues. As I said in the post, SSM has not had too much traction amongst immigrants in GTA. To them, even if they feel strongly on the issue, its not something they would base their vote on. And as I mentioned in the prev comment, we must go back to left, just not so much left that it drives the center away, but gets those scared into NDP by Paul Martin back.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1152821261469320902006-07-13T16:07:00.001-04:002006-07-13T16:07:00.001-04:00Kyle,I dont think Muslims will make or break the e...Kyle,<BR/><BR/>I dont think Muslims will make or break the election, but as a Muslim I want the LPC to be more left than right, besides movin to left will get back those NDP votes. Just hav to make sure we dont move left so much.<BR/><BR/>As for Israel's actions, I cannot condone it. They are killin civilians for no reason at all.mezbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16450639860657867772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23381380.post-1152818476807726962006-07-13T15:21:00.000-04:002006-07-13T15:21:00.000-04:00Israel may have a tendency to overreact to attacks...Israel may have a tendency to overreact to attacks against it--those of us who have felt our security threatened certainly sympathize with that tendency while not condoning actually carrying it out.<BR/><BR/>But saying that Israel seems to like killing civilians for fun is absurdly over the top. Undoubtably there are individual soldiers who do such a thing--as their are palestinian militants who do the same. But it has never been the policy of the state of Israel to kill civilians "for fun". <BR/><BR/>Also, (playing devil's advocate here because I actually WOULD like to see the LPC govern from the centre left) your conclusion is based on the flawed premise that muslims will make or break an election, and that moving to the left wont lose an even greater number of votes to the right.KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16932623568330893522noreply@blogger.com